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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://www.trafficandconversion.com/bad-advertising-ziba-what-were-you-thinking/comment-page-1/#comment-6696</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many small companies (&amp; marketers) look at the ad campaigns of huge multi-national companies (like McDonald&#039;s &amp; Coke) and think that they can use the same vague taglines and get the same results. What they fail to realize is that companies like McDonald&#039;s and Coke have been building their brands for decades. So they can run an ad with a tagline like &quot;I&#039;m lovin&#039; it&quot;, because people already have intimate knowledge of the brand.

What they also fail to miss is that there is  copy and descriptive imagery that accompanies that tagline: close-up shots of their food, a voiceover that talks about feeding your hunger with their latest burger, etc. So there isn&#039;t only a catchy tagline--even the big boys still remind their customer base of why they should continue to buy their product.

I think too many marketers think if they build flashy looking ads with trendy taglines, that they will experience the same success. They need a history lesson!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many small companies (&amp; marketers) look at the ad campaigns of huge multi-national companies (like McDonald&#8217;s &amp; Coke) and think that they can use the same vague taglines and get the same results. What they fail to realize is that companies like McDonald&#8217;s and Coke have been building their brands for decades. So they can run an ad with a tagline like &#8220;I&#8217;m lovin&#8217; it&#8221;, because people already have intimate knowledge of the brand.</p>
<p>What they also fail to miss is that there is  copy and descriptive imagery that accompanies that tagline: close-up shots of their food, a voiceover that talks about feeding your hunger with their latest burger, etc. So there isn&#8217;t only a catchy tagline&#8211;even the big boys still remind their customer base of why they should continue to buy their product.</p>
<p>I think too many marketers think if they build flashy looking ads with trendy taglines, that they will experience the same success. They need a history lesson!</p>
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		<title>By: Melanie Kissell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melanie Kissell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 02:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark ...

What can I say after I say I&#039;m sorry?!
Threading?  
I thought for certain that &quot;threading&quot; had everything to do with SEWING ... not hair removal!
I wholeheartedly agree with your perspective on this sad attempt at an ad campaign.
I&#039;m no expert, but I can predict with 100% accuracy that a great deal of money was spent needlessly on Ziba&#039;s grand opening!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark &#8230;</p>
<p>What can I say after I say I&#8217;m sorry?!<br />
Threading?<br />
I thought for certain that &#8220;threading&#8221; had everything to do with SEWING &#8230; not hair removal!<br />
I wholeheartedly agree with your perspective on this sad attempt at an ad campaign.<br />
I&#8217;m no expert, but I can predict with 100% accuracy that a great deal of money was spent needlessly on Ziba&#8217;s grand opening!</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Peavy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Peavy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 12:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed Mark, these pseudo-intellectual ads are everywhere.  Their target market must be people with disoriented minds (druggies?).      

From Google search: &quot;Ziba is an internationally recognized design consultancy that helps companies create meaningful ideas, designs and experiences that consumers crave. ...&quot; 
(Really?  I see better ads on the rear-ends of taxis.)  

No thanks, Ziba.  I&#039;ll make my own mistakes.

C. W. Peavy, Las Vegas, NV</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed Mark, these pseudo-intellectual ads are everywhere.  Their target market must be people with disoriented minds (druggies?).      </p>
<p>From Google search: &#8220;Ziba is an internationally recognized design consultancy that helps companies create meaningful ideas, designs and experiences that consumers crave. &#8230;&#8221;<br />
(Really?  I see better ads on the rear-ends of taxis.)  </p>
<p>No thanks, Ziba.  I&#8217;ll make my own mistakes.</p>
<p>C. W. Peavy, Las Vegas, NV</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mark,
Your comments on the Ziba campaign are well-taken.

FYI -- I think &quot;threading&quot; is actually a non-surgical facelift technique, also referred to pejoratively as the &quot;barbed-wire&quot; process.  (You REALLY don&#039;t want to know the details.)  Women who are into cosmetic surgery would know exactly what the ad is talking about.  But it&#039;s still a stupid ad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark,<br />
Your comments on the Ziba campaign are well-taken.</p>
<p>FYI &#8212; I think &#8220;threading&#8221; is actually a non-surgical facelift technique, also referred to pejoratively as the &#8220;barbed-wire&#8221; process.  (You REALLY don&#8217;t want to know the details.)  Women who are into cosmetic surgery would know exactly what the ad is talking about.  But it&#8217;s still a stupid ad.</p>
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		<title>By: Rolygate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rolygate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point, Mark. It&#039;s always amazing to see how many people have got money to throw away; and I wish I had the nerve their ad agency people must have!

What about the case of an enterprise with a lot of funds and no brand image, though - maybe a new product on the market. In this case, they might perhaps be able to afford to scatter these meaningless ads around in order to subliminally reinforce their brand strength. Ziba? Means nothing to me. So they do seem to need some brand weight here.

Of course, that doesn&#039;t apply to most of us, luckily. or we might get a reputation for lousy ads. And, in any discussion of dismal failure such as this, we ought to mention the timeless efforts of WebPagesThatSuck.com - check out all the architects&#039; sites on there to see some *really* pointless marketing. You&#039;ll laugh so much your ribs will hurt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, Mark. It&#8217;s always amazing to see how many people have got money to throw away; and I wish I had the nerve their ad agency people must have!</p>
<p>What about the case of an enterprise with a lot of funds and no brand image, though &#8211; maybe a new product on the market. In this case, they might perhaps be able to afford to scatter these meaningless ads around in order to subliminally reinforce their brand strength. Ziba? Means nothing to me. So they do seem to need some brand weight here.</p>
<p>Of course, that doesn&#8217;t apply to most of us, luckily. or we might get a reputation for lousy ads. And, in any discussion of dismal failure such as this, we ought to mention the timeless efforts of WebPagesThatSuck.com &#8211; check out all the architects&#8217; sites on there to see some *really* pointless marketing. You&#8217;ll laugh so much your ribs will hurt.</p>
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		<title>By: GABRIEL</title>
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		<dc:creator>GABRIEL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WELL THE ZIBA PEOPLE MUST&#039;VE BEEN IN THE ASSUME MODE. YES ASSUME STANDS FOR &quot;ASS OUT OF U AND ME&quot;.  GOOD EYE ON THE BAD AD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WELL THE ZIBA PEOPLE MUST&#8217;VE BEEN IN THE ASSUME MODE. YES ASSUME STANDS FOR &#8220;ASS OUT OF U AND ME&#8221;.  GOOD EYE ON THE BAD AD.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheila Simmons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheila Simmons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree there is a lot to learn from mistakes -- my own and those made by others.  This first case study in your Bad Advertising series was fun and informative.  I&#039;m looking forward to more. -- Sheila Simmons, Great American Publishers, http://www.greatamericanpublishers.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree there is a lot to learn from mistakes &#8212; my own and those made by others.  This first case study in your Bad Advertising series was fun and informative.  I&#8217;m looking forward to more. &#8212; Sheila Simmons, Great American Publishers, <a href="http://www.greatamericanpublishers.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.greatamericanpublishers.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve Hards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Hards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mark,

Your analysis of why this is bad is very helpful. It is one thing to spot a poor campaign, but another to draw lessons from it. Thanks. I wonder if Ziba will now ask their advertizing agency for a refund?!

Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark,</p>
<p>Your analysis of why this is bad is very helpful. It is one thing to spot a poor campaign, but another to draw lessons from it. Thanks. I wonder if Ziba will now ask their advertizing agency for a refund?!</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Fran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mark

A nice idea to share BAD advertising with us but may I suggest you go a little further and turn this around with an example of what a GOOD ad would be, using the same bad ad and all the comments you&#039;ve made as to why it&#039;s a bad ad.

In this way, I believe we&#039;ll learn even more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark</p>
<p>A nice idea to share BAD advertising with us but may I suggest you go a little further and turn this around with an example of what a GOOD ad would be, using the same bad ad and all the comments you&#8217;ve made as to why it&#8217;s a bad ad.</p>
<p>In this way, I believe we&#8217;ll learn even more.</p>
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		<title>By: Drayton BIrd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drayton BIrd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 06:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You say: &quot;We walk a solitary path because our methods WORK and we can prove it, unlike the rest of the advertising culture that relies on image based, witty, and &quot;creative&quot; ads, that may look good, but they don&#039;t do one, slightly important thing…&quot;

Really? For 150 years direct response advertisers have measured their results. I have been doing it for 50 years myself. 

Why do online people imagine the world began the minute the internet was born? 

&quot;Those who ignore the lessons of history are condemned to repeat them&quot; -  Santayana</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say: &#8220;We walk a solitary path because our methods WORK and we can prove it, unlike the rest of the advertising culture that relies on image based, witty, and &#8220;creative&#8221; ads, that may look good, but they don&#8217;t do one, slightly important thing…&#8221;</p>
<p>Really? For 150 years direct response advertisers have measured their results. I have been doing it for 50 years myself. </p>
<p>Why do online people imagine the world began the minute the internet was born? </p>
<p>&#8220;Those who ignore the lessons of history are condemned to repeat them&#8221; &#8211;  Santayana</p>
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